"You’re going to have some ups, and you’re going to have some downs. But during those down moments, that’s where the growth takes place. That’s where the work is.
Anybody can feel good when they have their health, their bills are paid, they have happy relationships, the children are acting normal. Business is successful; anybody could be positive then. Anybody can have a larger vision then. Anybody can have faith under those kinds of circumstances...the real challenge — the real challenge of growth mentally, emotionally, and spiritually comes when you get knocked down."